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: and philip mudd, another of the findings that jumped out at me is that people on the one hand see the rise of independent countries. brazil is one that marshall brought out, but they see this diminished u.s. influence in the world vis-à-vis some of these rising powers, but they see that as a generally positive thing. what's your reaction to that? is the diminished leadership role of the united states in the world a net positive, a net negative, or doesn't make much of a difference? philip mudd: i think it's a net inevitable. i mean, if you look at globalization and the way economics is moving, you can't anticipate that 1.3 billion chinese are going to live at the level they lived 30 years ago, and then you start to see 10 percent growth every year. so like it or not, you can sit here and talk about american exceptionalism, which i thought was quite surprising, 70 percent of americans still subscribe to that. but you're going to have to accept decades ahead when the brics and others compete economically and also are going to look at that economic performance and say "i want a bigger slice
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